I would like to thank my colleague Paul for the conversation that enacted this moment of social thinking.
I shared with Paul, the new papers by Stuart Kauffman
Paul replied very quickly on receiving the papers but before he had read them. He like I is deeply interested in the topics of evolution and complexity. He is a real intellectual and curious about the world. He spoke about his question of whether the laws of physics are the only laws of motion because if that were the case - then of course the future should be fairly determined & thus predictable.
But even if such were the case Paul argued that we subjectively experience it differently - an experience that many scientist reject as 'noise' despite the fact that 'being subjectively objective is also a subjective experience. :)
Paul recalled reading about a Cambridge University debate between a theologian and an atheistic natural scientis about the existence of God. He believed the atheist/scientist won since in the end the theologian could only resort to 'I believe'. However, he felt that this may have been a pyrrhic victory that describe a universe without a concept of a god that humans could use to reflect back in wonder at themselves.
Later at a social science event he heard another scientist report on 'religion' - what struck him was the fact that a much greater number of social scientist self identified as atheists compared to natural scientists. Paul speculated that this maybe because most social scientists have onl a superficial understanding of physics. And that further all physicist recognize an element of the mystical deeply embedded in the laws of the universe.